Who uses Gimp?

[DFS]

freeloaders (of course)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh

[Foster]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:42 -0400, DFS wrote:

> freeloaders (of course)
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh

There is no other reason to use it other than it being free.

The same goes for Linux.

[Norman Peelman]

On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:
> freeloaders (of course)
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>
>
>

Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...

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[Snit]

Foster stated in post 1hyty0kecups2.jdzk5mpi3qlf$.d...@40tude.net on 4/12/12
4:39 PM:

It handles it favicons better than Photoshop. Does it do anything else
better? There are many, many areas it is *far* behind Photoshop.


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[Snit]

Norman Peelman stated in post jm82rc$pkv$1...@dont-email.me on 4/12/12 7:25 PM:

> On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:
>> freeloaders (of course)
>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>
>>
>>
>
> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...

It is a good question: other than price, what reason is there to use GIMP
over Photoshop? I have given one reason... favicons. I wonder if the herd,
as a group, can think of a single other reason.


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[Chris Ahlstrom]

Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:
>> freeloaders (of course)
>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>
> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...

They're both complete fscking idiots. Obviously.

Yeah, everyone who wants to manipulate images needs to pay $600 for
Photoshop and then use only a 16th of its functionality. <rolls eyes>

It's a pretty lame troll, by the way.

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[Hadron]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> writes:

> freeloaders (of course)
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh

I do. It's very good for 90% of what one might need to do for
company/web graaphics.

[Hadron]

I can : its very good SW thats free. I use it almost daily. While the UI
sucks arse it *is* getting better but the image filters etc are more
than enough for more than 90% of what most people need imo.

[chrisv]

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Norman Peelman wrote:
>>
>> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...
>
>They're both complete fscking idiots. Obviously.
>
>Yeah, everyone who wants to manipulate images needs to pay $600 for
>Photoshop and then use only a 16th of its functionality. <rolls eyes>
>
>It's a pretty lame troll, by the way.

Oh, of course. The market only needs one product, the "best" product,
you know. There's no need to alternative products that cost less and
work fine for many. (rolling eyes)

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advocate" Hadron Quark

[Foster]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:25:48 -0400, Norman Peelman wrote:

> On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:
>> freeloaders (of course)
>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>
>>
>>
>
> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...

I like Gimp.
It's one of the better examples of FOSS.

However, the reality is that professionals use Adobe.
Very few use gimp.

[Foster]

That's a true statement.

[Foster]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:26:30 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:
>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>
>> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...
>
> They're both complete fscking idiots. Obviously.
>
> Yeah, everyone who wants to manipulate images needs to pay $600 for
> Photoshop and then use only a 16th of its functionality. <rolls eyes>
>
> It's a pretty lame troll, by the way.

Neither of us are saying that.

Why don't you try reading instead of sucking up for a change.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Norman Peelman wrote:
>>>
>>> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...
>>
>>They're both complete fscking idiots. Obviously.
>>
>>Yeah, everyone who wants to manipulate images needs to pay $600 for
>>Photoshop and then use only a 16th of its functionality. <rolls eyes>
>>
>>It's a pretty lame troll, by the way.
>
> Oh, of course. The market only needs one product, the "best" product,
> you know. There's no need to alternative products that cost less and
> work fine for many. (rolling eyes)

We need to install and use the "tuxeyes" package.

^ ^
. .
..
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[Ezekiel]

"Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
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I've used it on my Linux install and really didn't get much done with it.
Like most full-featured graphics apps there are a LOT of options and I
simply don't use it often enough to become proficient with it. So the few
times that I do use it I find it confusing and difficult even to do
relatively simple tasks. Nothing against Gimp - I'm just not good with it.

I've been using Photoshop Elements for years which is the 'cheap-o' version
of Photoshop (~$79) that comes free with scanners, video-cards, etc. I've
been using it for several years and it's more the adequate for the type of
editing that I do. I have no justification to drop everything I know about
PSE and start from scratch with GIMP or any other app.

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[DFS]

Did you freeload it, and donate/contribute nothing like most Lintards?

[DFS]

On 4/12/2012 10:25 PM, Norman Peelman wrote:
> On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:
>> freeloaders (of course)
>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>
>>
>>
>
> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...

We really shouldn't bully the poor (cr)app...

[Snit]

Ezekiel stated in post jm99gp$cl6$1...@dont-email.me on 4/13/12 6:21 AM:

> "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:CBACDF97.B7356%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> Norman Peelman stated in post jm82rc$pkv$1...@dont-email.me on 4/12/12 7:25
>> PM:
>>
>>> On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:
>>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...
>>
>> It is a good question: other than price, what reason is there to use GIMP
>> over Photoshop? I have given one reason... favicons. I wonder if the
>> herd,
>> as a group, can think of a single other reason.
>
> I've used it on my Linux install and really didn't get much done with it.
> Like most full-featured graphics apps there are a LOT of options and I
> simply don't use it often enough to become proficient with it. So the few
> times that I do use it I find it confusing and difficult even to do
> relatively simple tasks. Nothing against Gimp - I'm just not good with it.
>
> I've been using Photoshop Elements for years which is the 'cheap-o' version
> of Photoshop (~$79) that comes free with scanners, video-cards, etc. I've
> been using it for several years and it's more the adequate for the type of
> editing that I do. I have no justification to drop everything I know about
> PSE and start from scratch with GIMP or any other app.

GIMP is more of an equal to PSE than to PS... though they are quite
different they are about the same level of editor. And, yes, most people
find PSE *much* easier to use.


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[Hadron]

The creepy little sycophant is too busy showing off and telling lies to
actually read what he replies to. We've seen that for years.

[Hadron]

I freeloaded it. It is free.

I dont donate cash to these projects, but I do donate support in terms
of patches, detailed bug reports and testing of new features. Nothing I
would publicise here because of the "advocates" and their tendency to
take COLA outside of COLA.

[Snit]

Foster stated in post wwc79zayfuj$.vrx7xc6w...@40tude.net on 4/13/12
5:46 AM:

I think it can do a lot... but just having features is not good enough. The
UI has to be made as good as the competition... and, by most people's
opinion, it simply is not there. But it is a tool I suggest for some and
have shown how to use - not that I am an expert with it. And it is the best
tool I know for working with favicons.


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[Snit]

Hadron stated in post kpy5pzo...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
4:17 AM:

Yes: the price is a good reason. But I asked other than price. The filters
and the like are decent, but compared to PSE and other options does it have
any real advantages... esp. ones to overcome its poor UI?

Now do not get me wrong: free is a powerful "selling" point and I have
suggested it to many and shown them the basics of it. Few stick with it...
they find better tools. Often Picasa is enough for their needs, but if not
there is PSE or a *bunch* of other image editing tools with more advanced
filters and the like.



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[Hadron]

Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:

> Hadron stated in post kpy5pzo...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
> 4:17 AM:
>
>> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>>
>>> Norman Peelman stated in post jm82rc$pkv$1...@dont-email.me on 4/12/12 7:25 PM:
>>>
>>>> On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:
>>>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...
>>>
>>> It is a good question: other than price, what reason is there to use GIMP
>>> over Photoshop? I have given one reason... favicons. I wonder if the herd,
>>> as a group, can think of a single other reason.
>>
>> I can : its very good SW thats free. I use it almost daily. While the UI
>> sucks arse it *is* getting better but the image filters etc are more
>> than enough for more than 90% of what most people need imo.
>
> Yes: the price is a good reason. But I asked other than price. The filters
> and the like are decent, but compared to PSE and other options does it have
> any real advantages... esp. ones to overcome its poor UI?

Yes, its free... and works and works on LINUX .... And well. I like the
multi panel layout too since that works brilliantly with xmonad. e.g

http://nathanhowell.net/2009/03/08/xmonad-and-the-gimp/

>
> Now do not get me wrong: free is a powerful "selling" point and I have
> suggested it to many and shown them the basics of it. Few stick with it...
> they find better tools. Often Picasa is enough for their needs, but if not
> there is PSE or a *bunch* of other image editing tools with more advanced
> filters and the like.

Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...

Be specific of what really easy to use free programs have as powerful
image capabilites as Gimp. Few do.

[JEDIDIAH]

That's exactly what you are saying.

If you avoid Photoshop based on price then you are a "freeloader".

Nevermind the fact that suitable replacement tools are cheap and plentiful.

You are trying to condemn Linux users for something that everyone does.

[deletia]

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[JEDIDIAH]

I could use Windows if I really wanted you. You can thank decades
of anti-competitive (what really should be illegal) practices for that.

As far as not wanting to spend $600 on a professional tool when I
am not a professional... that just makes me a normal person.

By your definition the vast majority of even Mac users are "freeloaders".

[Snit]

Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
10:36 AM:

> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron stated in post kpy5pzo...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>> 4:17 AM:
>>
>>> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Norman Peelman stated in post jm82rc$pkv$1...@dont-email.me on 4/12/12 7:25
>>>> PM:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:
>>>>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>>>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...
>>>>
>>>> It is a good question: other than price, what reason is there to use GIMP
>>>> over Photoshop? I have given one reason... favicons. I wonder if the herd,
>>>> as a group, can think of a single other reason.
>>>
>>> I can : its very good SW thats free. I use it almost daily. While the UI
>>> sucks arse it *is* getting better but the image filters etc are more
>>> than enough for more than 90% of what most people need imo.
>>
>> Yes: the price is a good reason. But I asked other than price. The filters
>> and the like are decent, but compared to PSE and other options does it have
>> any real advantages... esp. ones to overcome its poor UI?
>
> Yes, its free... and works and works on LINUX .... And well. I like the
> multi panel layout too since that works brilliantly with xmonad. e.g
>
> http://nathanhowell.net/2009/03/08/xmonad-and-the-gimp/

Good info... thanks.

>> Now do not get me wrong: free is a powerful "selling" point and I have
>> suggested it to many and shown them the basics of it. Few stick with it...
>> they find better tools. Often Picasa is enough for their needs, but if not
>> there is PSE or a *bunch* of other image editing tools with more advanced
>> filters and the like.
>
> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...

Yes. To the point of being offensive.

> Be specific of what really easy to use free programs have as powerful
> image capabilites as Gimp. Few do.

Oh, none that I know of which are free. PSE certainly is not.


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[Chris Ahlstrom]

JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2012-04-12, Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:42 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>
>> There is no other reason to use it other than it being free.

Bullshit. You can use GIMP because /it does what you need/.

>> The same goes for Linux.

Bullshit. You can use Linux because /it does what you need/.

> I could use Windows if I really wanted you. You can thank decades
> of anti-competitive (what really should be illegal) practices for that.
>
> As far as not wanting to spend $600 on a professional tool when I
> am not a professional... that just makes me a normal person.
>
> By your definition the vast majority of even Mac users are "freeloaders".

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[Snit]

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jma6t8$l9m$1...@dont-email.me on 4/13/12 2:47
PM:

> JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2012-04-12, Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:42 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>>
>>> There is no other reason to use it other than it being free.
>
> Bullshit. You can use GIMP because /it does what you need/.

And it might. But if other tools do what you need and do it *better*, why
use Gimp (other than the price)?

>>> The same goes for Linux.
>
> Bullshit. You can use Linux because /it does what you need/.

And it might (in my case it does not... but for many it might). But it
needs to be better that that - it needs to do what you need as well or
better than the competition. Really, better if you want to make a real
impact.

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[DFS]

On 4/13/2012 10:09 AM, Hadron wrote:
> DFS<nos...@dfs.com> writes:
>
>> On 4/13/2012 7:15 AM, Hadron wrote:
>>> DFS<nos...@dfs.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>>
>>> I do. It's very good for 90% of what one might need to do for
>>> company/web graaphics.
>>
>> Did you freeload it, and donate/contribute nothing like most Lintards?
>
> I freeloaded it. It is free.

You sure? Makes me wonder why there's a big button begging you to 'Make
a Donation'...

http://www.gimp.org/

[DFS]

On 4/13/2012 5:47 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2012-04-12, Foster<frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:42 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>>
>>> There is no other reason to use it other than it being free.
>
> Bullshit. You can use GIMP because /it does what you need/.

Nice one, Captain Obvious.

It's assumed the software does what you need.

[Homer]

Everyone who doesn't "pirate" Photochop.

Obviously.

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[Hadron]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> writes:

> On 4/13/2012 10:09 AM, Hadron wrote:
>> DFS<nos...@dfs.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 4/13/2012 7:15 AM, Hadron wrote:
>>>> DFS<nos...@dfs.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>>>
>>>> I do. It's very good for 90% of what one might need to do for
>>>> company/web graaphics.
>>>
>>> Did you freeload it, and donate/contribute nothing like most Lintards?
>>
>> I freeloaded it. It is free.
>
> You sure?

Yes.

> Makes me wonder why there's a big button begging you to 'Make a
> Donation'...

There is difference between begging for assistance (ie donations like
Homer does) and applying a price tag. It is free.

>
> http://www.gimp.org/

Yes. I use it daily. It's a pretty good program. And, of course,
available on Windows too ;)

[Snit]

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jm8v00$gp3$2...@dont-email.me on 4/13/12 3:26 AM:

> Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>
>> On 04/12/2012 07:07 PM, DFS wrote:

>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>

>> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...
>

> They're both complete fscking idiots. Obviously.
>
> Yeah, everyone who wants to manipulate images needs to pay $600 for
> Photoshop and then use only a 16th of its functionality. <rolls eyes>

Nobody suggested that. You made it up.

> It's a pretty lame troll, by the way.

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[Snit]

Hadron stated in post kd3987q...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
4:15 AM:

> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> writes:
>
>> freeloaders (of course)
>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>

> I do. It's very good for 90% of what one might need to do for
> company/web graaphics.
>

I have used it but find it very limiting... then again, I use at least
certain parts of Photoshop far more extensively than most: layer groups,
smart layers, adjustment layers, smart objects, non-destructive filtering,
multiple masks on a single layer, and even some of the video stuff (though
only sometimes on the latter). The better layer and masking model of
Photoshop is very, very important for me...

With that said, I have nothing against Gimp or people who use it. And for
being a tool you can download for free, it is pretty amazing.


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[Snit]

chrisv stated in post qv6go7l0c8pkil5e4...@4ax.com on 4/13/12
5:30 AM:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Norman Peelman wrote:
>>>
>>> Ooh look, it's DoFus and Fosterchild ganging up on GIMP...
>>
>> They're both complete fscking idiots. Obviously.
>>
>> Yeah, everyone who wants to manipulate images needs to pay $600 for
>> Photoshop and then use only a 16th of its functionality. <rolls eyes>
>>
>> It's a pretty lame troll, by the way.
>
> Oh, of course. The market only needs one product, the "best" product,
> you know. There's no need to alternative products that cost less and
> work fine for many. (rolling eyes)

Why even make up such a bizarre claim?


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[Snit]

Foster stated in post zv22auswuvss$.e7clcp8k...@40tude.net on 4/13/12
5:45 AM:

Correct. Gimp is amazing for being free, even if its UI is generally
considered to be horrid. But it is not in the same league as Photoshop.
Not even close. From a past post of mine:

-----
[GIMP] is lacking in many, many areas - Smart objects, layer
groups, adjustment layers, non-destructive filtering,
multiple mask types, and multiple masks on a single layer.
On and on and on. And that does not even include the CMYK
tools which are often mentioned in such conversations - those
are important to some but not so much for myself. And I will
acknowledge I have found *one* area where Gimp is ahead of
Photoshop - working with favicons. Absurd of Adobe to *not*
focus more on that in a "web development" suite.
-----

And Photoshop also has better selection tools, 3D tools, video tools....
with CS6 just adding to the improvements (such as the ability to have
multiple masks and find layers in files with many, many layers). I really
look forward to it coming out. That and Dreamweaver CS6.



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[Snit]

Homer stated in post 70bn59-...@sky.matrix on 4/13/12 9:28 PM:

> Everyone who doesn't "pirate" Photochop.
>
> Obviously.

I do hope your delusions do not go so far as to make you believe this.

I use Photoshop legally, on both OS X and Windows... but I know many others
who do not use Photoshop who use Photoshop Elements (a program more
comparable to GIMP than Photoshop) or other editors. At least as a primary
image editor, I know of nobody who uses GIMP... which is not to say I would
be surprised if some of the people I know use it.


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[Hadron]

You know I use it. And its good. And I question the true uselfulness of
most of the features PS supports that Gimp doesnt for the average user.

[Snit]

Hadron stated in post yd3985s...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/14/12
4:41 PM:

For the average user, programs more comparable to GIMP, such as Photoshop
Elements, are generally just fine.


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[Hadron]

How many times do you repeat yourself. Yes. But that doesnt work on
Linux and is not free. Yes PSE is suitable.

[-hh]

On Apr 15, 4:17 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:

> > Hadron stated:

>
> >> You know I use it. And its good. And I question the true uselfulness of
> >> most of the features PS supports that Gimp doesnt for the average user.
>
> > For the average user, programs more comparable to GIMP, such as Photoshop
> > Elements, are generally just fine.
>
> How many times do you repeat yourself. Yes. But that doesnt work on
> Linux and is not free. Yes PSE is suitable.

Photoshop Elements doesn't even work under Wine/etc?

And insofar as price, one is now whining about all of ~$80, despite
repeated "ignore cost" (apparently, one does have to repeat) and of
course assuming that one didn't receive a free copy bundled with a
hardware purchase, such as a scanner. I know I've gotten 'free' PSE
licenses in that fashion; IIRC I gave the last one to a family
member.


-hh

[Hadron]

-hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> writes:

> On Apr 15, 4:17 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>> > Hadron stated:
>>
>> >> You know I use it. And its good. And I question the true uselfulness of
>> >> most of the features PS supports that Gimp doesnt for the average user.
>>
>> > For the average user, programs more comparable to GIMP, such as Photoshop
>> > Elements, are generally just fine.
>>
>> How many times do you repeat yourself. Yes. But that doesnt work on
>> Linux and is not free. Yes PSE is suitable.
>
> Photoshop Elements doesn't even work under Wine/etc?

No idea. I use Gimp. I used to use Elements but Gimp is native. Wine is
crap.

>
> And insofar as price, one is now whining about all of ~$80, despite

Who is?

> repeated "ignore cost" (apparently, one does have to repeat) and of
> course assuming that one didn't receive a free copy bundled with a
> hardware purchase, such as a scanner. I know I've gotten 'free' PSE
> licenses in that fashion; IIRC I gave the last one to a family
> member.

Yup me too. PSE is a great program. Note I am not knocking it. I prefer
native apps. And Gimp plays well with xmonad.

>
> -hh

[-hh]

On Apr 15, 8:16 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> writes:
> > On Apr 15, 4:17 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
> >> > Hadron stated:
>
> >> >> You know I use it. And its good. And I question the true uselfulness of
> >> >> most of the features PS supports that Gimp doesnt for the average user.
>
> >> > For the average user, programs more comparable to GIMP, such as Photoshop
> >> > Elements, are generally just fine.
>
> >> How many times do you repeat yourself. Yes. But that doesnt work on
> >> Linux and is not free. Yes PSE is suitable.
>
> > Photoshop Elements doesn't even work under Wine/etc?
>
> No idea.

So why then say, "...Yes. But that doesnt work on Linux and is not
free."

>I use Gimp. I used to use Elements but Gimp is native.
> Wine is crap.

Crap? And here I had been lead to believe based on COLA claims (by
others) that Wine and similar VMs were all that one ever needed to
have with Linux to be able to forever reject Windows OS. Apologies
for the dramatic hyperbola, but there have most certainly been words
to that effect oft claimed.

> > And insofar as price, one is now whining about all of ~$80, despite
>
> Who is?

Pretty much every poster who said anything about price after the OP's
"other than cost" directive.

> > repeated "ignore cost" (apparently, one does have to repeat) and of
> > course assuming that one didn't receive a free copy bundled with a
> > hardware purchase, such as a scanner.  I know I've gotten 'free' PSE
> > licenses in that fashion; IIRC I gave the last one to a family
> > member.
>
> Yup me too. PSE is a great program. Note I am not knocking it. I prefer
> native apps. And Gimp plays well with xmonad.

I've not tried any graphics-centric application under a windows-tiler,
as I generally found that I almost always want more room for just that
one application. Only meaningful exception I've found so far is when
running dual 24" LCDs...I typically won't have enough Photoshop menus
open to use more than half of the (right) one.


-hh

[Hadron]

-hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> writes:

> On Apr 15, 8:16 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> writes:
>> > On Apr 15, 4:17 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>> >> > Hadron stated:
>>
>> >> >> You know I use it. And its good. And I question the true uselfulness of
>> >> >> most of the features PS supports that Gimp doesnt for the average user.
>>
>> >> > For the average user, programs more comparable to GIMP, such as Photoshop
>> >> > Elements, are generally just fine.
>>
>> >> How many times do you repeat yourself. Yes. But that doesnt work on
>> >> Linux and is not free. Yes PSE is suitable.
>>
>> > Photoshop Elements doesn't even work under Wine/etc?
>>
>> No idea.
>
> So why then say, "...Yes. But that doesnt work on Linux and is not
> free."

Because I was referring to native apps. And is not "free" unless its a
gift/throwaway/preinstalled token of goodwill etc but that doesnt make
it "free" (or Free..)

>
>>I use Gimp. I used to use Elements but Gimp is native.
>> Wine is crap.
>
> Crap? And here I had been lead to believe based on COLA claims (by
> others) that Wine and similar VMs were all that one ever needed to

Wine is not a WM. We've been there a million times before here where it
became abundantly clear that most advocates would prefer to make
themselves look stupid than agree with anything I might say : Wine is a
Windows emulator - it emulates the real Windows API libraries. Lots of
the usual clueless morons will disagree - but thats exactly what it
is. 7 and co think "emulation" can only occur at the HW level. FWIW, it
was given birth to in the software emulators groups. But thats by the by
: they have copied the docuemtned functionality of the Win32, and other,
API.

> have with Linux to be able to forever reject Windows OS. Apologies
> for the dramatic hyperbola, but there have most certainly been words
> to that effect oft claimed.

From "advocates" yes. I dont want to run Window UI apps on Gnome
desktop. Its bad enough using KDE ones. I *DO* use a VM for certain
excel necessities. I dual boot to Win 7 for itunes every now and again.

>
>> > And insofar as price, one is now whining about all of ~$80, despite
>>
>> Who is?
>
> Pretty much every poster who said anything about price after the OP's
> "other than cost" directive.

Hmm, maybe I missed it. That would be "advocate" argument no doubt.

>
>> > repeated "ignore cost" (apparently, one does have to repeat) and of
>> > course assuming that one didn't receive a free copy bundled with a
>> > hardware purchase, such as a scanner.  I know I've gotten 'free' PSE
>> > licenses in that fashion; IIRC I gave the last one to a family
>> > member.
>>
>> Yup me too. PSE is a great program. Note I am not knocking it. I prefer
>> native apps. And Gimp plays well with xmonad.
>
> I've not tried any graphics-centric application under a windows-tiler,
> as I generally found that I almost always want more room for just that
> one application. Only meaningful exception I've found so far is when

With xmonad its a hot key away from resizing or changing the
layout. Easy.

[Hadron]

Typo. I meant VM. I suspect you would have realised but some "advocate"
might not.

[Steve Carroll]

On Apr 13, 5:39 pm, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 4/13/2012 5:47 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> > JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>

> >> On 2012-04-12, Foster<frankfoste...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:42 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
> >>>> freeloaders (of course)
> >>>>http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>
> >>> There is no other reason to use it other than it being free.
>
> > Bullshit.  You can use GIMP because /it does what you need/.
>
> Nice one, Captain Obvious.
>
> It's assumed the software does what you need.

Answers the question then, doesn't it, genius? The obvious question
now is: If you can find something that "does what you need" for free
why write to a newsgroup and feebly try to denigrate it? Or pay for
something else? Of course, if you're predisposed to pay a price for
something (and a potentially high one at that) so you can boast how
much money you make, well... that's another "issue" you might have;)
In my opinion GIMP has become much better since they fixed the
windowing; I now frequently recommend it to people.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Steve Carroll wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

I'm glad to see that DFS recognizes that the GIMP fulfills needs.

Like you, I recommend GIMP to other people, even Windows users.

Here's a guy who used to love Ubuntu, or so he claimed. Now he claims
to love Debian. And yet somehow almost every post he makes, that isn't
exclusively an insult to someone, notes that Windows is quite
sufficient.

--
The consumer favorite Ubuntu is another "take take take" distro for
the "community". Expect Ubuntu to levy all sorts of higher charges in
years to come when they have all the working free code they need.
-- "Hadron" <il81t0$p74$7...@news.eternal-september.org>

[Peter Köhlmann]

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Steve Carroll wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Apr 13, 5:39 pm, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/13/2012 5:47 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> > JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>> >> On 2012-04-12, Foster<frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:42 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>> >>>>http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>>
>>> >>> There is no other reason to use it other than it being free.
>>>
>>> > Bullshit. You can use GIMP because /it does what you need/.
>>>
>>> Nice one, Captain Obvious.
>>>
>>> It's assumed the software does what you need.
>>
>> Answers the question then, doesn't it, genius? The obvious question
>> now is: If you can find something that "does what you need" for free
>> why write to a newsgroup and feebly try to denigrate it? Or pay for
>> something else? Of course, if you're predisposed to pay a price for
>> something (and a potentially high one at that) so you can boast how
>> much money you make, well... that's another "issue" you might have;)
>> In my opinion GIMP has become much better since they fixed the
>> windowing; I now frequently recommend it to people.
>
> I'm glad to see that DFS recognizes that the GIMP fulfills needs.
>
> Like you, I recommend GIMP to other people, even Windows users.

You can even use Photoshop plugins in Gimp. Google for "PSPI"

> Here's a guy who used to love Ubuntu, or so he claimed. Now he claims
> to love Debian. And yet somehow almost every post he makes, that isn't
> exclusively an insult to someone, notes that Windows is quite
> sufficient.
>

Well, thats Hadron Snit Larry for you. And no, he does not use Debian. Never
has, never will. That twit would be barely able to boot a Live-CD of Ubuntu

[-hh]

On Apr 15, 10:34 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> writes:
> > On Apr 15, 8:16 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> writes:
> >> > On Apr 15, 4:17 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
> >> >> > Hadron stated:
>
> >> >> >> You know I use it. And its good. And I question the true uselfulness of
> >> >> >> most of the features PS supports that Gimp doesnt for the average user.
>
> >> >> > For the average user, programs more comparable to GIMP, such as Photoshop
> >> >> > Elements, are generally just fine.
>
> >> >> How many times do you repeat yourself. Yes. But that doesnt work on
> >> >> Linux and is not free. Yes PSE is suitable.
>
> >> > Photoshop Elements doesn't even work under Wine/etc?
>
> >> No idea.
>
> > So why then say, "...Yes. But that doesnt work on Linux and is not
> > free."
>
> Because I was referring to native apps.

Ah, I see the distinction. Of course, the only reason why it isn't
native is because of a particular OS use (preference) for where it
isn't native...kind of a Catch-22.

> And is not "free" unless its a
> gift/throwaway/preinstalled token of goodwill etc but that doesnt make
> it "free" (or Free..)

Or "bundle", but the basic point still stands in that it isn't a huge
burden on the pocketbook such as a full Photoshop license for ~$500.
The basic issue that underlies the cost question is an (hyperbola
warning) utter refusal to ever even consider spending even a penny in
legal tender currency, regardless of the pragmatic benefits.

Yes, there's idealism, but even this has limits bounded in realism:
to illustrate by analogy, the philosophy of pacifism is rarely applied
as requiring a fundamental rejection of all violence in all
circumstances. For example, a right for self-defense is a common
accommodation.

> >>I use Gimp. I used to use Elements but Gimp is native.
> >> Wine is crap.
>
> > Crap?  And here I had been lead to believe based on COLA claims (by
> > others) that Wine and similar VMs were all that one ever needed to
>

> Wine is not a [typo: VM]. We've been there a million times before here where

> it became abundantly clear that most advocates would prefer to make
> themselves look stupid than agree with anything I might say : Wine is a
> Windows emulator - it emulates the real Windows API libraries. Lots of
> the usual clueless morons will disagree - but thats exactly what it
> is. 7 and co think "emulation" can only occur at the HW level. FWIW, it
> was given birth to in the software emulators groups. But thats by the by
> : they have copied the docuemtned functionality of the Win32, and other,
> API.

Agreed. Regardless of what it is called versus other tools, the
element that they all have in common is that they're tools to bridge.

> > have with Linux to be able to forever reject Windows OS.  Apologies
> > for the dramatic hyperbola, but there have most certainly been words
> > to that effect oft claimed.
>
> From "advocates" yes. I dont want to run Window UI apps on Gnome
> desktop. Its bad enough using KDE ones. I *DO* use a VM for certain
> excel necessities. I dual boot to Win 7 for itunes every now and again.

Merely the pragmatism of 'right tool for the job' instead of a "cut
off one's own nose" religious intolerance based on supposedly superior
moral principles.

> >> > And insofar as price, one is now whining about all of ~$80, despite
>
> >> Who is?
>
> > Pretty much every poster who said anything about price after the OP's
> > "other than cost"  directive.
>
> Hmm, maybe I missed it. That would be "advocate" argument no doubt.

It pretty much is, and it is usually married with bible thumping about
how it isn't a negative to substitute hours of touch-labor for their
unwillingness to open their wallet...all while in venomous denial that
money has utterly _any_ motivation on them at all, which is an
absurdly transparent lie, since the roots of their protestations are
classically how Microsoft has been "greedy" and {unfairly} making *too
much* money.

> >> > repeated "ignore cost" (apparently, one does have to repeat) and of
> >> > course assuming that one didn't receive a free copy bundled with a
> >> > hardware purchase, such as a scanner.  I know I've gotten 'free' PSE
> >> > licenses in that fashion; IIRC I gave the last one to a family
> >> > member.
>
> >> Yup me too. PSE is a great program. Note I am not knocking it. I prefer
> >> native apps. And Gimp plays well with xmonad.
>
> > I've not tried any graphics-centric application under a windows-tiler,
> > as I generally found that I almost always want more room for just that
> > one application.  Only meaningful exception I've found so far is when
>
> With xmonad its a hot key away from resizing or changing the
> layout. Easy.

Haven't really looked at tiled approaches for a long time. I can
recall something in MS-Office having it as a display option on open
documents which was kind of interesting but also absurd...but that
very well could have been back in the days of 13" and 15" CRTs too, so
each said tile was probably only around four square inches each.



-hh

[Snit]

Hadron stated in post 6xaa2ds...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/15/12
1:17 AM:

Once for each of your repetitions, I do believe. :)

> Yes. But that doesnt work on
> Linux and is not free. Yes PSE is suitable.

You keep making the point about it being free (speaking of repetition), as
if someone has said otherwise. Odd.



--
🙈🙉🙊

[TomB]

On 2012-04-12, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:

> freeloaders (of course)
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh

I do. Even on Windows these days.

--
Tommy Bongaerts
to...@drumscum.be

[Snit]

-hh stated in post
629ea21b-944c-4a95...@d4g2000vbn.googlegroups.com on 4/15/12
3:40 AM:

> On Apr 15, 4:17 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>>> Hadron stated:
>>
>>>> You know I use it. And its good. And I question the true uselfulness of
>>>> most of the features PS supports that Gimp doesnt for the average user.
>
>>
>>> For the average user, programs more comparable to GIMP, such as Photoshop
>>> Elements, are generally just fine.
>>
>> How many times do you repeat yourself. Yes. But that doesnt work on
>> Linux and is not free. Yes PSE is suitable.
>
> Photoshop Elements doesn't even work under Wine/etc?

Does anything? :)

> And insofar as price, one is now whining about all of ~$80, despite
> repeated "ignore cost" (apparently, one does have to repeat) and of
> course assuming that one didn't receive a free copy bundled with a
> hardware purchase, such as a scanner. I know I've gotten 'free' PSE
> licenses in that fashion; IIRC I gave the last one to a family
> member.

This is not uncommon. Also, Picasa is free and serves most people's needs
very well. Sure, it does not do what GIMP does, just as GIMP does not do
what Photoshop does. But the argument about Photoshop is most people do not
use or need a lot of the features... the same is true of GIMP. And Picasa
is a lot easier to learn to use and has all sorts of sharing features GIMP
lacks.

Still, this should not be taken as a sign I am in any way against GIMP or
Hadron or *anyone* using it. I think it is great GIMP exists as a free
product and is powerful as it is (and it is quite powerful). I use it
myself for favicons and I have suggested it to others who are looking for a
free editor that does more than Picasa. But for most people, really, Picasa
is a better choice than GIMP.



--
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[TomB]

On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
> 10:36 AM:

>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>
> Yes. To the point of being offensive.

Offensive? Why is that?

--
Tommy Bongaerts
to...@drumscum.be

[Snit]

Hadron stated in post 6i3985q...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/15/12
5:16 AM:

> -hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> writes:
>
>> On Apr 15, 4:17 am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>>>> Hadron stated:
>>>
>>>>> You know I use it. And its good. And I question the true uselfulness of
>>>>> most of the features PS supports that Gimp doesnt for the average user.
>>>
>>>> For the average user, programs more comparable to GIMP, such as Photoshop
>>>> Elements, are generally just fine.
>>>
>>> How many times do you repeat yourself. Yes. But that doesnt work on
>>> Linux and is not free. Yes PSE is suitable.
>>
>> Photoshop Elements doesn't even work under Wine/etc?
>
> No idea. I use Gimp. I used to use Elements but Gimp is native. Wine is
> crap.
>
>>
>> And insofar as price, one is now whining about all of ~$80, despite
>
> Who is?

You keep going back to the topic of price... repeating it and when you are
responded to about that you complained about the repetition.

>> repeated "ignore cost" (apparently, one does have to repeat) and of
>> course assuming that one didn't receive a free copy bundled with a
>> hardware purchase, such as a scanner. I know I've gotten 'free' PSE
>> licenses in that fashion; IIRC I gave the last one to a family
>> member.
>
> Yup me too. PSE is a great program. Note I am not knocking it. I prefer
> native apps. And Gimp plays well with xmonad.

No problem with that at all.



--
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[Snit]

-hh stated in post
5223bbc4-a096-45c8...@r13g2000vbg.googlegroups.com on 4/15/12
7:03 AM:

>>> repeated "ignore cost" (apparently, one does have to repeat) and of
>>> course assuming that one didn't receive a free copy bundled with a
>>> hardware purchase, such as a scanner.  I know I've gotten 'free' PSE
>>> licenses in that fashion; IIRC I gave the last one to a family
>>> member.
>>
>> Yup me too. PSE is a great program. Note I am not knocking it. I prefer
>> native apps. And Gimp plays well with xmonad.
>
> I've not tried any graphics-centric application under a windows-tiler,
> as I generally found that I almost always want more room for just that
> one application. Only meaningful exception I've found so far is when
> running dual 24" LCDs...I typically won't have enough Photoshop menus
> open to use more than half of the (right) one.

I certainly find it easier to use Photoshop and other CS programs on a dual
monitor system, but they are also quite usable on a single monitor system.
Heck, my Dreamweaver videos show a 1360 x 768 screen just to make it easier
to see what is happening... and the program runs fine like that.


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[Chris Ahlstrom]

TomB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>> 10:36 AM:
>
>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>
>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>
> Offensive? Why is that?

Methinks the trolls don't understand acronyms.

LMS.

--
Well, I'm disenchanted too. We're all disenchanted.
-- James Thurber

[Snit]

TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12 11:10
AM:

> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>> 10:36 AM:
>
>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>
>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>
> Offensive? Why is that?

In case you really do not know... it is often considered an offensive term
in the US and Canada... and, new to me, apparently is a sexual term as well:

<http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/gimp>
-----
US Canadian offensive slang a physically disabled person, esp
one who is lame
-----

<http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gimp>
-----
US Canadian offensive slang a physically disabled person, esp
one who is lame
-----

<http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080807054303AAbrZEg>
-----
offensive term: an offensive term for somebody with a
physical challenge, especially somebody who has difficulty
walking or who uses a wheelchair (slang)
-----

<http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_gimps>
-----
The word "gimp" can have a large number of meanings:
* A handicapped person - usually considered offensive.
-----

<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gimp>
-----
offensive , slang ( US ), ( Canadian ) a physically disabled
person, esp one who is lame
-----


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[Snit]

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jmf3nl$nhr$2...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 11:24
AM:

> TomB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>>> 10:36 AM:
>>
>>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>>
>>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>>
>> Offensive? Why is that?
>
> Methinks the trolls don't understand acronyms.
>
> LMS.

One: why change the topic to trolls?
Two: why pretend anyone has said they did not know it was an acronym?
Three: why advertise you do not know it can be seen as an offensive term...
as you try to belittle others? Just admit you do not know... TomB did and
in doing so he showed class. Try to rise to his level on this.

[Peter Köhlmann]

TomB wrote:

> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on
>> 4/13/12 10:36 AM:
>
>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>
>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>
> Offensive? Why is that?
>

Because "Gnu Image manipulating program" is really offensive to raving
imbeciles

[Snit]

Peter Köhlmann stated in post jmf4cu$ri9$1...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 11:33
AM:

And *none* of the herd will call Peter out on such nonsense.

None.

And yet they deny they are a herd.

[TomB]

On 2012-04-15, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:

> TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12 11:10
> AM:
>
>> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>>> 10:36 AM:
>>
>>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>>
>>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>>
>> Offensive? Why is that?
>
> In case you really do not know... it is often considered an offensive term
> in the US and Canada... and, new to me, apparently is a sexual term as well:

So? It also means a certain type of embroidery, which is very fitting
for a graphics program, and makes for a very smart acronym.

[DFS]

On 4/15/2012 2:03 PM, TomB wrote:
> On 2012-04-12, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> freeloaders (of course)
>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>
> I do. Even on Windows these days.

If you read the link, you'll see 4 of the 5 people who answered said
they use it because it's free.

Congrats to Linux/OSS/GPL/GNU/FSF clowns: they turned 'Free' into 'free'.

[DFS]

On 4/15/2012 11:23 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Apr 13, 5:39 pm, DFS<nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 4/13/2012 5:47 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>>> On 2012-04-12, Foster<frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:42 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>>>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>>>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>
>>>>> There is no other reason to use it other than it being free.
>>
>>> Bullshit. You can use GIMP because /it does what you need/.
>>
>> Nice one, Captain Obvious.
>>
>> It's assumed the software does what you need.
>
> Answers the question then, doesn't it, genius?

No, fool, the question was answered by the respondents in the link: 4
out of 5 used it because it was free.

> The obvious question
> now is: If you can find something that "does what you need" for free
> why write to a newsgroup and feebly try to denigrate it?

Because it's crap software freeloaded and recommended by lying Linux
idiots who promote it as a replacement (or alternative) to Photoshop.

> Or pay for something else?

Same reason you buy an Infiniti vs a Kia, moron.

> Of course, if you're predisposed to pay a price for
> something (and a potentially high one at that) so you can boast how
> much money you make, well... that's another "issue" you might have;)

It's not an issue I have, but I don't begrudge those that have that
issue, since they're the people that fund continued development of the
superior products.

Quit paying for Windows/commercial software (ie Infinitis and Ferraris
and Porsches), and it won't be long before all you're left with is
Linux/OSS shitware (Kia and Isuzu and Suzuki).

Will you be happy then?

I know a bunch of hypocritical cola "advocates" who would be furious if
they lost their comfy Windows jobs.

> In my opinion GIMP has become much better since they fixed the
> windowing; I now frequently recommend it to people.

Do you recommend they donate money or testing or bug reports as well?

Why not?

[Homer]

Verily I say unto thee that TomB spake thusly:

> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>> 10:36 AM:
>
>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>
>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>
> Offensive? Why is that?

Beats me. What's so offensive about:

. the GNU Image Manipulation Program?
. an ornamental trim used in sewing or embroidery (Dutch origin)?
. spirit, vigor, or ambition (north-eastern U.S.)?
. slender, trim, delicate (from the Scots "Jimp")?

Maybe he's referring to some underworld slang.

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[Snit]

TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12 12:11
PM:

> On 2012-04-15, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12 11:10
>> AM:
>>
>>> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>>>> 10:36 AM:
>>>
>>>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>>>
>>>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>>>
>>> Offensive? Why is that?
>>
>> In case you really do not know... it is often considered an offensive term
>> in the US and Canada... and, new to me, apparently is a sexual term as well:
>
> So?

Not sure what you are missing. You snipped the pertinent parts... that is
the "so" part.

> It also means a certain type of embroidery, which is very fitting
> for a graphics program, and makes for a very smart acronym.

So you do not see how it might have been a bad choice to name a program the
same as offensive slang. Really?

I find that hard to believe...

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[Snit]

Homer stated in post u2mr59-...@sky.matrix on 4/15/12 1:02 PM:

> Verily I say unto thee that TomB spake thusly:
>> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>>> 10:36 AM:
>>
>>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>>
>>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>>
>> Offensive? Why is that?
>
> Beats me. What's so offensive about:
>
> . the GNU Image Manipulation Program?
>
> . an ornamental trim used in sewing or embroidery (Dutch origin)?
>
> . spirit, vigor, or ambition (north-eastern U.S.)?
>
> . slender, trim, delicate (from the Scots "Jimp")?
>
>
> Maybe he's referring to some underworld slang.

I already posted the links to the offensive meaning. TomB snipped them and
then pretended they did not exist. Herd stroking 101 by TomB.


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[Snit]

Peter Köhlmann stated in post jmf4cu$ri9$1...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 11:33
AM:

Why does it offend you?


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[Snit]

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jmesjf$9m3$3...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 9:22 AM:

A key issue here is not just finding something that "does what you need" but
also *how* it does it. That is very, very important and often overlooked or
deemphasized by those who speak of what can be done with OSS (or some
proprietary... there is plenty of that which is also poorly written in terms
of usability).

With that said, the GIMP team has gotten a bit more of a clue and is working
on making the UI / user experience better. Still not caught up to Photoshop
(which has also been improving) in that area or in features / methods, but
it is a free, and that is a huge "selling" point.


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[Snit]

TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12 11:03
AM:

> On 2012-04-12, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> freeloaders (of course)
>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>
> I do. Even on Windows these days.

Curious: do you have access to Photoshop as well?


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[Norman Peelman]

They didn't name it after offensive slang... Would it make you feel
better if it were named G.I.M.P. Check Menu->Help->About.

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Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 10.04 64bit

[Snit]

Norman Peelman stated in post jmfjgs$k9o$1...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 3:53 PM:

Did someone say they did? If so, can you point to it? If not, I do not
understand your change of topic.

> Would it make you feel better if it were named G.I.M.P. Check
> Menu->Help->About.

Do you want to rename it to "G.I.M.P. Check Menu->Help->About"? If so why
and for what value? I think you are a bit lost on what is being discussed.


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[Norman Peelman]

How an you even compare Picasa to Gimp or PS/Elements, Picasa is an
organizer and 'quick tool' for often used functions. It is not meant to
anything at all comparable.

> Still, this should not be taken as a sign I am in any way against GIMP or
> Hadron or *anyone* using it. I think it is great GIMP exists as a free
> product and is powerful as it is (and it is quite powerful). I use it
> myself for favicons and I have suggested it to others who are looking for a
> free editor that does more than Picasa. But for most people, really, Picasa
> is a better choice than GIMP.
>

Because most users may not need a full blown *editor*.

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[Snit]

Norman Peelman stated in post jmfkcj$oej$1...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 4:08 PM:

I think you missed the point: GIMP is in no way comparable to Photoshop...
it is, comparatively, a limited editor. Picasa is an even more limited
image editor (and it has other functions). Those other functions and the
simplicity of it actually make it a *better* choice for most users than
either Photoshop or GIMP. I was in no way saying it is comparable to
either, but GIMP is not comparable to Photoshop, so we are looking at three
very different pieces of software.

>> Still, this should not be taken as a sign I am in any way against GIMP or
>> Hadron or *anyone* using it. I think it is great GIMP exists as a free
>> product and is powerful as it is (and it is quite powerful). I use it
>> myself for favicons and I have suggested it to others who are looking for a
>> free editor that does more than Picasa. But for most people, really, Picasa
>> is a better choice than GIMP.
>
> Because most users may not need a full blown *editor*.

Correct.

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[Chris Ahlstrom]

TomB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

$ dict gimp
5 definitions found

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:

Gimp \Gimp\, a. [W. gwymp fair, neat, comely.]
Smart; spruce; trim; nice. [Obs. or Prov. Eng.]
[1913 Webster]

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:

Gimp \Gimp\, n. [OF. guimpe, guimple, a nun's wimple, F. guimpe,
OHG. wimpal a veil G. wimpel pennon, pendant. See {Wimple},
n.]
A narrow ornamental fabric of silk, woolen, or cotton, often
with a metallic wire, or sometimes a coarse cord, running
through it; -- used as trimming for dresses, furniture, etc.
[1913 Webster]

Gimp nail, an upholsterer's small nail.
[1913 Webster]

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:

Gimp \Gimp\, v. t.
To notch; to indent; to jag.
[1913 Webster]

From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:

gimp
n 1: disability of walking due to crippling of the legs or feet
[syn: {lameness}, {limping}, {gimp}, {gimpiness},
{gameness}, {claudication}]
v 1: walk impeded by some physical limitation or injury; "The
old woman hobbles down to the store every day" [syn:
{limp}, {gimp}, {hobble}, {hitch}]

From V.E.R.A. -- Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (June 2006) [vera]:

GIMP
General / GNU Image Manipulation Program (Linux, graphics, GNU)

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[Chris Ahlstrom]

Homer wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Verily I say unto thee that TomB spake thusly:
>> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>>> 10:36 AM:
>>
>>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>>
>>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>>
>> Offensive? Why is that?
>
> Beats me. What's so offensive about:
>
> . the GNU Image Manipulation Program?
> . an ornamental trim used in sewing or embroidery (Dutch origin)?
> . spirit, vigor, or ambition (north-eastern U.S.)?
> . slender, trim, delicate (from the Scots "Jimp")?
>
> Maybe he's referring to some underworld slang.

Like most troll, Snit probably goes to urbandictionary.com to get the
true meaning. :-D

Here's a troll who thinks Linux is rubbish, yet also claims to use it as
his own private playground:

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You're not being fair. The "advocates" simply don't understand any of
the issues. They think ANY criticism of the current "status of Linux of
the day" is being a Wintroll rather than wanting to see it improve and
become attractive to more and more users. It's like they want it to stay
rubbish so they can use it as their own private playground.
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[Torre Starnes]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:09:32 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> TomB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2012-04-15, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12 11:10
>>> AM:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>>>>> 10:36 AM:
>>>>
>>>>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>>>>
>>>> Offensive? Why is that?
>>>
>>> In case you really do not know... it is often considered an offensive term
>>> in the US and Canada... and, new to me, apparently is a sexual term as well:
>>
>> So? It also means a certain type of embroidery, which is very fitting
>> for a graphics program, and makes for a very smart acronym.
>
> $ dict gimp
> 5 definitions found

Yawn.

It's a foolish name no matter what it means.
Not unlike many other Linux names.
Like "Drupal" for example.
Sounds like an elderly woman walking the beach in a bikini.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 04/15/2012 02:06 PM, Snit wrote:
>> -hh stated in post
>

> <who cares what -highhorse said?>

>
>> This is not uncommon. Also, Picasa is free and serves most people's needs
>> very well. Sure, it does not do what GIMP does, just as GIMP does not do
>> what Photoshop does. But the argument about Photoshop is most people do not
>> use or need a lot of the features... the same is true of GIMP. And Picasa
>> is a lot easier to learn to use and has all sorts of sharing features GIMP
>> lacks.
>
> How an you even compare Picasa to Gimp or PS/Elements, Picasa is an
> organizer and 'quick tool' for often used functions. It is not meant to
> anything at all comparable.

Snit can make that comparison because he simply hasn't used either
program enough to know.

>> Still, this should not be taken as a sign I am in any way against GIMP or
>> Hadron or *anyone* using it. I think it is great GIMP exists as a free
>> product and is powerful as it is (and it is quite powerful). I use it
>> myself for favicons and I have suggested it to others who are looking for a
>> free editor that does more than Picasa. But for most people, really, Picasa
>> is a better choice than GIMP.

O. M. G.

> Because most users may not need a full blown *editor*.

Picasa is also prime bloatware, slow as hell.

Try using it over a DSL line, and you will see.

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Creepy isn't he? You can actually hear him sweat as he pours out the
usual garbage.
Having said that, his C is so poor one can only wonder if he's a FSF
mole in there to scupper the company! ;)
-- "Hadron" <hjum8c$fj2$2...@hadron.eternal-september.org>

[Foster]

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:16:05 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>>

>> How an you even compare Picasa to Gimp or PS/Elements, Picasa is an
>> organizer and 'quick tool' for often used functions. It is not meant to
>> anything at all comparable.
>
> Snit can make that comparison because he simply hasn't used either
> program enough to know.

And you can prove this how?

Oh, I see, you are just sucking up to another herd member, Norman
Peelman, this time.

How pathetic you are Chris Ahlstrom.

[Snit]

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jmfnv2$c0v$2...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 5:09 PM:

Is any of that in contention? I mean, really, the fact there are other
definitions does not make it any less of an offensive term.

I wonder if any of the herd will be willing to be honest about the fact that
"gimp" is an offensive term? My guess: not a chance. Even though it is
clear that it is and there is *no* ambiguity on this issue, the herd will
never admit to it.

I would love to be proved wrong.


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[Snit]

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jmfo2s$c0v$3...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 5:11 PM:

> Homer wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee that TomB spake thusly:
>>> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on 4/13/12
>>>> 10:36 AM:
>>>
>>>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>>>
>>>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>>>
>>> Offensive? Why is that?
>>
>> Beats me. What's so offensive about:
>>
>> . the GNU Image Manipulation Program?
>> . an ornamental trim used in sewing or embroidery (Dutch origin)?
>> . spirit, vigor, or ambition (north-eastern U.S.)?
>> . slender, trim, delicate (from the Scots "Jimp")?
>>
>> Maybe he's referring to some underworld slang.
>
> Like most troll, Snit probably goes to urbandictionary.com to get the
> true meaning. :-D

The list of sources I *already* have provided:

None is the urban dictionary. None. Ahslstrom made that up... out and out
lied about it as if he did not know what sources I had used.

But none of the herd will call him on this.

> Here's a troll who thinks Linux is rubbish, yet also claims to use it as
> his own private playground:

What?

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[Snit]

Torre Starnes stated in post 15gs5hjoyg2w4$.cmj2881a1oyj$.d...@40tude.net on
4/15/12 5:14 PM:

I already proved my point. The herd will deny in solidarity. They share
the same lies... then wonder why they are deemed a cult-like herd.

[Snit]

Foster stated in post 19y2h777vskvi.1...@40tude.net on 4/15/12
5:22 PM:

> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:16:05 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>>
>>> How an you even compare Picasa to Gimp or PS/Elements, Picasa is an
>>> organizer and 'quick tool' for often used functions. It is not meant to
>>> anything at all comparable.
>>
>> Snit can make that comparison because he simply hasn't used either
>> program enough to know.
>
> And you can prove this how?

He made it up. Heck, I have taught Picasa, Photoshop, and Photoshop
Elements as full classes and demoed GIMP in classes and offered advice on
using it.

> Oh, I see, you are just sucking up to another herd member, Norman
> Peelman, this time.
>
> How pathetic you are Chris Ahlstrom.

You are exactly correct. And none of the herd will call him out on this.

None.

Count on it... then they will deny they are a herd. So predictable.

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[Snit]

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jmfobc$eqs$1...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 5:16 PM:

> Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 04/15/2012 02:06 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> -hh stated in post
>>
>> <who cares what -highhorse said?>
>>
>>> This is not uncommon. Also, Picasa is free and serves most people's needs
>>> very well. Sure, it does not do what GIMP does, just as GIMP does not do
>>> what Photoshop does. But the argument about Photoshop is most people do not
>>> use or need a lot of the features... the same is true of GIMP. And Picasa
>>> is a lot easier to learn to use and has all sorts of sharing features GIMP
>>> lacks.
>>
>> How an you even compare Picasa to Gimp or PS/Elements, Picasa is an
>> organizer and 'quick tool' for often used functions. It is not meant to
>> anything at all comparable.
>
> Snit can make that comparison because he simply hasn't used either
> program enough to know.

To be clear: you made that up. In doing so you have tacitly admitted you
have no reasoned counter - so you lie to obfuscate your ignorance on the
issue.

>>> Still, this should not be taken as a sign I am in any way against GIMP or
>>> Hadron or *anyone* using it. I think it is great GIMP exists as a free
>>> product and is powerful as it is (and it is quite powerful). I use it
>>> myself for favicons and I have suggested it to others who are looking for a
>>> free editor that does more than Picasa. But for most people, really, Picasa
>>> is a better choice than GIMP.
>
> O. M. G.

Note the lack of reasoned refutation. Ahlstrom has none.

>> Because most users may not need a full blown *editor*.
>
> Picasa is also prime bloatware, slow as hell.
>
> Try using it over a DSL line, and you will see.

What the...??? Using desktop software over a DSL line? Why?

Once again you show you have no clue when it comes to technical discussions.

Use Picasa over a DSL line. LOL! Really... that is just funny.

Will any of the herd be willing to call Ahlstrom out on that absurd
nonsense? I bet not!


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[William Poaster]

Here is a facsimile from Chris Ahlstrom who, on 16/4/2012 01:11, wrote:

You're not being fair. The "advocates" simply don't understand any of
the issues. They think ANY criticism of the current "status of Linux of
the day" is being a Wintroll rather than wanting to see it improve and
become attractive to more and more users. It's like they want it to stay
rubbish so they can use it as their own private playground.
-- "Hadron" <ii6oio$vrr$2...@news.eternal-september.org>

The M$ fanboi whined & complained *so* much in a.o.l.u, he was
challenged by quite a few regulars to make his *own* distro, & "show how
it should be done".

For example:
Hardon's been challenged many a time in this NG when he starts one of his
anti-FOSS tirades about how bad FOSS software is. We're still waiting and
will probably never see what magnificent FOSS software he produces.
He's also been challenged to provide us with the best distro, as he seems
all hung up about there being too many of them out there. Again, we're
still waiting for Hardonix.
NoStop - a.o.l.u
Message-ID: <ft5fi...@news4.newsguy.com>

You can guess what the trolling M$ zealot fuckwit did.

Excuse #1: "There are too many distros already"
Message-ID: <87wsy54...@gmail.com>

Excuse #2: He "left" aolu claiming that he was "drifting away" from
a.o.l.u because it was "Ubuntu fan boy zone".
Hadron - Message-ID: <gdl55d$lc2$1...@registered.motzarella.org>
So the moron was in a Linux group for Ubuntu, whined & moaned about it,
& said it was a "Ubuntu fan boy zone" when he was taken to task.
Well just WTF did the jackass expect?
Would he expect to be welcomed in a religeous ng spouting aethism?
Would he expect to be welcomed in a M$ ng spouting what crap Windows
was?
etc..etc.

No wonder he was soon ignored/binned by many (& still is, from what
I've seen on occasional visits.)

As one poster said about "Hadron":
$:~ sudo aptitude install ounce_of_credibility
bash $:~ aptitude: ounce_of_credibility not found.
Mark South - alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Message-ID: <4766d025$1...@news.bluewin.ch>

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Most people are sheep.  
Microsoft is very effective
at fleecing the flockers.

[Norman Peelman]

On 04/15/2012 07:06 PM, Snit wrote:
> Norman Peelman stated in post jmfjgs$k9o$1...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 3:53 PM:
>
>> On 04/15/2012 04:35 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12 12:11
>>> PM:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-04-15, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>> TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12 11:10
>>>>> AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>>>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on
>>>>>>> 4/13/12
>>>>>>> 10:36 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.

That is your statement above. ^^^^^^^^^^

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Offensive? Why is that?
>>>>>
>>>>> In case you really do not know... it is often considered an offensive term
>>>>> in the US and Canada... and, new to me, apparently is a sexual term as
>>>>> well:
>>>>
>>>> So?
>>>
>>> Not sure what you are missing. You snipped the pertinent parts... that is
>>> the "so" part.
>>>
>>>> It also means a certain type of embroidery, which is very fitting
>>>> for a graphics program, and makes for a very smart acronym.
>>>
>>> So you do not see how it might have been a bad choice to name a program the
>>> same as offensive slang. Really?
>>>
>>> I find that hard to believe...
>>
>> They didn't name it after offensive slang...
>
> Did someone say they did? If so, can you point to it? If not, I do not
> understand your change of topic.
>
>> Would it make you feel better if it were named G.I.M.P. Check
>> Menu->Help->About.
>
> Do you want to rename it to "G.I.M.P. Check Menu->Help->About"? If so why
> and for what value? I think you are a bit lost on what is being discussed.
>
>


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[Norman Peelman]

...and you deny calling it offensive.

[Norman Peelman]

I don't feel it's wrong because I don't associate an image editor
with a handicapped person. I also know what the letters represent.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 04/15/2012 09:08 PM, Snit wrote:
>> Torre Starnes stated in post 15gs5hjoyg2w4$.cmj2881a1oyj$.d...@40tude.net on
>>>>

>>>> $ dict gimp
>>>> 5 definitions found
>>>
>>> Yawn.
>>>
>>> It's a foolish name no matter what it means.
>>> Not unlike many other Linux names.
>>> Like "Drupal" for example.
>>> Sounds like an elderly woman walking the beach in a bikini.

Grow up, Flounder.

>> I already proved my point. The herd will deny in solidarity. They share
>> the same lies... then wonder why they are deemed a cult-like herd.

Grow up, Snit.

>> <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gimp>
>> -----
>> offensive , slang ( US ), ( Canadian ) a physically disabled
>> person, esp one who is lame
>> -----
>
> ...and you deny calling it offensive.

You expect sense out these clowns?

--
(Linux is) designed for a "community"?????????????????????
Hahahahha. Whats that? A group of people who dont want to buy
anything????
-- "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 04/15/2012 09:06 PM, Snit wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jmfnv2$c0v$2...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 5:09 PM:
>>

Bullshit.

By that criterion, the mass of normal phrases and words, perverted into
bad meanings at Urban Dictionary, would thus no longer be useful in
normal conversation.

"taxable", for example.

>> I wonder if any of the herd will be willing to be honest about the fact that
>> "gimp" is an offensive term? My guess: not a chance. Even though it is
>> clear that it is and there is *no* ambiguity on this issue, the herd will
>> never admit to it.
>>
>> I would love to be proved wrong.
>
> I don't feel it's wrong because I don't associate an image editor
> with a handicapped person. I also know what the letters represent.

Snit is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

"gimp" is offensive only in certain contexts, as when used directly to
describe a person as a cripple or pervert in an offensive manner.

When used in other definitions, as shown above, it is not offensive.

But we're talking about Snit here, the abusive troll who chronically
takes the statements of others and twists them into foul meaning.
Much like the rest of the trolls.

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true to anyone else or anything else is not only impossible, but the
mark of a fake messiah. The simplest questions are the most profound.
Where were you born? Where is your home? Where are you going? What
are you doing? Think about these once in awhile and watch your answers
change.
-- Messiah's Handbook : Reminders for the Advanced Soul

[William Poaster]

Here is a facsimile from Norman Peelman who, on 16/4/2012 11:35, wrote:

> On 04/15/2012 09:06 PM, Michael Snit Glasser (nutcase) wrote:

<snip bullshit>

> I don't feel it's wrong because I don't associate an image editor
> with a handicapped person. I also know what the letters represent.

FFS, it's only that Snit moron who's complained about it being "an
offensive term". If the makers of GIMP were *really* concerned about it
being "an offensive term" (which it only appears to be in parts of the
US), don't you think they'd have changed it by now?

Tell him to get a job, & life. Yeesh.

<thread binned>

--
Klingon Prime Directive: Shoot it!

[-hh]

On Apr 16, 6:35 am, Norman Peelman <npeelman...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I don't feel it's wrong because I don't associate an image editor
> with a handicapped person. I also know what the letters represent.

Its never that easy...that's what they say today what the letters
stand for, for example.

I've been through enough project naming sessions to know that one
often (if not usually) starts to narrow in on a word and then
manipulate the descriptors until one has something that fits.
Sometimes the word comes first and sometimes it has its own history
with the project.

A well known example is the TASER, which is an acronym for "Thomas A.
Swift's Electric Rifle" and a homage name after Victor Appleton's 1911
young adult novel, "Tom Swift and His Electric Rifle". From a naming
acronym process, one can see that since a pure reading of this books
title would have been "TSAHER" (or TSHER) and that some manipulation
from that followed.

Similarly, a few years ago, the US Air Force developed the PHASER ...
or more accurately, the "Personnel Halting and Stimulation Response
(PHaSR)," which is another name that was lifted from literature and
then made-to-fit.

Personally, I'd not be too terribly surprised if the true origins of
GIMP are that it was considered to be a crippled (gimped) version of
Photoshop, and only later did they have to invent what it was really
"named" for...these things happen.

For example, I'm aware of one application where the acronym wasn't
invented until someone in higher management specifically asking that
what the name stood for. Its true history was that it was named after
one of puppets of ventriloquist Edgar Bergen. But now the office
responsible for the software couldn't exactly come out and admit that,
could they? Nope. It was claimed to be an acronym and a professional
sounding description was slapped together.


-hh

[chrisv]

>--
>You're not being fair. The "advocates" simply don't understand any of
>the issues. They think ANY criticism of the current "status of Linux of
>the day" is being a Wintroll rather than wanting to see it improve and
>become attractive to more and more users. It's like they want it to stay
>rubbish so they can use it as their own private playground.
> -- "Hadron" <ii6oio$vrr$2...@news.eternal-september.org>

Gosh, no "Hadron" *lies* there. (rolling eyes)

"Ezekiel" has never noticed him lying, anyway.

--
"Because for the most part I see lots of claims but little proof from
you, Kohlman and chrisv about ("Hadron's") lying." - trolling
fsckwit "Ezekiel"

[Snit]

Norman Peelman stated in post jmgs9p$6vu$1...@dont-email.me on 4/16/12 3:29 AM:

> On 04/15/2012 07:06 PM, Snit wrote:
>> Norman Peelman stated in post jmfjgs$k9o$1...@dont-email.me on 4/15/12 3:53 PM:
>>
>>> On 04/15/2012 04:35 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>> TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12 12:11
>>>> PM:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-04-15, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>>> TomB stated in post 201204152...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/15/12
>>>>>> 11:10
>>>>>> AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2012-04-13, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>>>>> Hadron stated in post oimx6fm...@news.eternal-september.org on
>>>>>>>> 4/13/12
>>>>>>>> 10:36 AM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Biggest drawback? What a stupid name...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. To the point of being offensive.
>
> That is your statement above. ^^^^^^^^^^

This is not in contention. Why even point it out? Really... what is your
point? I never said they *named it after offensive slang*, I noted the term
they used *is* offensive slang. And it is. For those who did not know that
I have proved it. My claim is not conjecture or based on some uncommon
usage or whatever - it is a simple fact. The name of the program *is* an
offensive slang term. Period.

And that *is* a drawback if your wish is to have the program spread, esp. in
any professional setting.

Nothing about this is complex or anything a reasonable person would argue
against.

🙈🙉🙊

[Snit]

Norman Peelman stated in post jmgsdi$6vu$2...@dont-email.me on 4/16/12 3:31 AM:

I never did any such thing. You made that up.


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[Snit]

Norman Peelman stated in post jmgsm3$clm$1...@dont-email.me on 4/16/12 3:35 AM:

The name *is* the association. Period.

There is no question here... there is no reasonable counter. There simply
is the fact that the term "gimp" is, in large segments of the population, an
offensive term. Calling a program that is a poor choice, that is if you
want it to be taken seriously in a professional environment.

This is really not a debatable point... there is *no* counter to it. None.

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[Snit]

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jmgtr1$glb$1...@dont-email.me on 4/16/12 3:55 AM:

> Norman Peelman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 04/15/2012 09:08 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> Torre Starnes stated in post 15gs5hjoyg2w4$.cmj2881a1oyj$.d...@40tude.net on
>>>>>
>>>>> $ dict gimp
>>>>> 5 definitions found
>>>>
>>>> Yawn.
>>>>
>>>> It's a foolish name no matter what it means.
>>>> Not unlike many other Linux names.
>>>> Like "Drupal" for example.
>>>> Sounds like an elderly woman walking the beach in a bikini.
>
> Grow up, Flounder.
>
>>> I already proved my point. The herd will deny in solidarity. They share
>>> the same lies... then wonder why they are deemed a cult-like herd.
>
> Grow up, Snit.

I am noting a fact.

>>> <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gimp>
>>> -----
>>> offensive , slang ( US ), ( Canadian ) a physically disabled
>>> person, esp one who is lame
>>> -----
>>
>> ...and you deny calling it offensive.
>
> You expect sense out these clowns?

You do realize he made up that claim, don't you?

Of course... but you are stroking the herd. It is not like there is anyone
who *actually* disagrees with me on this - if there was they would have
posted a reasonable counter.

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[TomB]

On 2012-04-15, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 4/15/2012 2:03 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2012-04-12, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>
>> I do. Even on Windows these days.
>
>
> If you read the link, you'll see 4 of the 5 people who answered said
> they use it because it's free.

Free as in beer is one reason. Free as in speech another. But more
than anything else I use Gimp because it fits my needs perfectly fine.

> Congrats to Linux/OSS/GPL/GNU/FSF clowns: they turned 'Free' into 'free'.

Why does that disturb you?

--
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to...@drumscum.be

[Snit]

Chris Ahlstrom stated in post jmgu5n$glb$2...@dont-email.me on 4/16/12 4:01 AM:

This has nothing to do with the "urban dictionary". This has to do with the
common meaning of the word...

>>> I wonder if any of the herd will be willing to be honest about the fact that
>>> "gimp" is an offensive term? My guess: not a chance. Even though it is
>>> clear that it is and there is *no* ambiguity on this issue, the herd will
>>> never admit to it.
>>>
>>> I would love to be proved wrong.
>>
>> I don't feel it's wrong because I don't associate an image editor
>> with a handicapped person. I also know what the letters represent.
>
> Snit is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

And yet you cannot cannot say why.

> "gimp" is offensive only in certain contexts, as when used directly to
> describe a person as a cripple or pervert in an offensive manner.

It is an offensive term. As such, it should not be used in a professional
environment and this is a a detriment to its use.

> When used in other definitions, as shown above, it is not offensive.

The fact there are other definitions is irrelevant. It is simply a poor
choice for a name of a program.

> But we're talking about Snit here, the abusive troll who chronically
> takes the statements of others and twists them into foul meaning.
> Much like the rest of the trolls.

Herd stroking 101 by Chris Ahlstrom.


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[Snit]

William Poaster stated in post 10bt59-...@alpha-one.wpnetwork.org on
4/16/12 4:05 AM:

> Here is a facsimile from Norman Peelman who, on 16/4/2012 11:35, wrote:
>
>> On 04/15/2012 09:06 PM, Michael Snit Glasser (nutcase) wrote:
>
> <snip bullshit>
>
>> I don't feel it's wrong because I don't associate an image editor
>> with a handicapped person. I also know what the letters represent.
>
> FFS, it's only that Snit moron who's complained about it being "an
> offensive term". If the makers of GIMP were *really* concerned about it
> being "an offensive term" (which it only appears to be in parts of the
> US), don't you think they'd have changed it by now?
>
> Tell him to get a job, & life. Yeesh.
>
> <thread binned>

Ah, the ol' if there was a problem with an OSS project it would have been
changed... since it was not changed it must be fine.

Idiotic "reasoning" of the herd.

Oh, and Canada is not a part of the US.


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[Snit]

TomB stated in post 201204161...@usenet.drumscum.be on 4/16/12 6:50
AM:

> On 2012-04-15, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> On 4/15/2012 2:03 PM, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2012-04-12, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>>> freeloaders (of course)
>>>> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090205133256AAsJIBh
>>>
>>> I do. Even on Windows these days.
>>
>>
>> If you read the link, you'll see 4 of the 5 people who answered said
>> they use it because it's free.
>
> Free as in beer is one reason. Free as in speech another. But more
> than anything else I use Gimp because it fits my needs perfectly fine.

I have no problem with that... just curious what other image editors you
have experience with... and how much experience.

I find a lot of people who tout the benefits of desktop Linux and at least
some of the OSS packages have little to compare it to. Wondering if the
same is true for you here with GIMP. Please note: I am not saying that is
the case - I am *asking*.

🙈🙉🙊

[Snit]

-hh stated in post
e1334eb2-7c9b-429d...@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com on 4/16/12
4:34 AM:

Whatever the reason, using a derogatory term for your product name has
consequences.

But in COLA even this is debated... even though nobody has come up with a
good counter. It does not support the herd desires, though, so it must be
wrong. That is the only argument they have.


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